tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN October 18, 2012 1:00am-2:00am EDT
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phrase "binders full of women", a full-fledged internet phenomenon. 140 million hits and counting on google. it's one of the hot twitter hash tags, binders with cute photos, binders of unicorns, sharp tongues, hillary clinton, and, you name it. when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro, it seems. the binders of women craze began minutes, literally, just minutes after mitt romney uttered those words responding to a question about equal pay for women. mr. romney point to his hiring process when he first became governor of massachusetts. listen. >> i said, gosh, can't we find some women that are also qualified? so we took a concerted effort to go out and find women who had backgrounds that could be qualified to become members of our cabinet. i went to a number of women's groups and said, can you help us find folks? they brought us binders full of women. >> that's the somewhat silly phrase. here's the serious context and
why it's important to break it down. women may decide this election. look at this from the gallup poll in swing states. president obama's big advantage among female voters appears to be gone. now it shows a gender gap in president obama's favor. mitt romney can successfully narrow that gap, that would mate the president's road to re-election very difficult, nearly impossible. campaigning today in virginia, mr. romney said the president has failed america's women. he was touting his own record last night claiming he, quote, went to a number of women's groups and said, can you help us find folks? that's not quite true. there's a problem with the timeline. we to want look at that tonight. the group in question, a nonpartisan outfit called the massachusetts government appointments project actually approached him. they put out a statement today saying, and i quote, prior to the 2002 gubernatorial election, massgap approached the campaigns of candidates shannon o'brien and mitt romney. so, they went to him and his
democratic opponent as well, not as he claimed the other way around. in addition, mr. romney last night credited recruiting effort that followed with helping him bring so many qualified women on board. and today the campaign put out this from the former lieutenant governor kerry healey. quote, as we took office our administration actively sought to recruit the best and brightest women the common wealth had to offer. and governor romney wasn't just checking a box. massgap said female recruitment dropped off, 42% female in the first 2 1/2 years to 27.6%. running mate paul ryan rose to his boss's defense today saying, quote, he was an exception -- he has an exceptional record of hiring women in very prominent pog positions in his administration and that was the point he was making last night. as for the obama campaign, they certainly see an opening. >> you heard the debate last night. when governor romney was asked a direct question about equal pay.
he started talking about binders. oh, the idea here to go and ask where a qualified woman was, he should have come to my house. he didn't need a binder. >> from debalt claim to political free for all, before check on the campaign trail, let's dig deeper how the romney record stands up to the facts. that's our job. david s. bernstein staff writing for "the boston," 27-year veteran of boston journalism. you heard the governor's answer. did that square with your memory of what happened? >> no, it doesn't. immediately when i heard it, i reached out to some of the women who i know who had been part of that effort, which they did initially in 2002, a coalition of some 40 women's groups in the states of -- formed that massgap project you were just
describing. they did it in 2002 and subsequent gubernatorial elections. like you said, they initiated the project. they worked at it for a number of months, you know, reaching out to gather together and screen possible appointees from women all over the state. and to put that together to present to whoever ended up being in the corner office. the idea that he initiated it after filling the process didn't square. i reached out and double checked that with the people involved, they agreed. you saw massgap confirm that again today. >> is it possible it could have been an honest mistake? is there any way that governor romney may not have realized how the list may have reached him? >> i don't think that's possible because during the campaign it was actually something that his campaign, and he personally signed a letter of commitment to the project. it was after the primaries, the
project reached out to both him and democratic nominee, shannon o'brien. she signed it first and then he agreed to sign it, pledging to try to use this material that massgap was putting together and to try to move towards parity in high level appointments. there was a candidate forum they participated in that was part of this whole project where they asked specifically about this project and how he was planning to fulfill it and so forth. you know, it sounded to me more like he was describing the way that he found a number of his female appointees and then decided to take the extra step of taking credit for initiating it when, in fact, it was initiated by some other people. >> so, let's put binders aside. did he have a good record on a appointing women? the idea of the massgap idea was to propel women into higher
offices down the road and did it have that effect? >> there are different interpretations with his record with women. there is no question that you can point to a number of high level appointments that he did make, as you point out. over the course of his four year governorship he declined to the number of women in those offices prior to his coming in, you know, it was actually lower. there were also some other issues aside from just those appointees. there were issues raised about his judicial appointees. 17 of his first 19 judge appointments were men. after unfavorable press about that, he began appointing more women. it depends on how you want to take the record. certainly, some of the most important positions, people in charge of budget and transforepags and business development, the one he was most concerned about, mostly went to
men and men who he had dealt with in his business career. one of the interesting things, i'm not the only one who mentioned this, is that his claim seems to take for granted that he didn't know any qualified women after running businesses and consulting businesses for 25 years. which in and of itself is startling. >> david bernstein, i appreciate you being on with reporting your recollection. thank you very much. >> my pleasure. >> joining us for more on how the two campaigns are handles this, jim acosta and jessica yellen. is the campaign concerned with this whole binder controversy? >> reporter: i think it's worth noting what mitt romney did and did not talk about at his first post-debate speech earlier today in chesapeake, virginia. he did not talk about that dust-up between himself and the president over what happened in benghazi, but he did make reference to women voters in his speech in chesapeake. he said that the president has failed america's women.
that appeared to be a blatant appeal to female voters in the audience and all across the country. late in the day he sent out a tweet of a web video featuring member of his cabinet in massachusetts when he was governor being women. one of the women on the cabinet said in that web video that mitt romney understands working women. keep in mind that he made this response -- he made this remark about binders of women in response to the lilly ledbetter act, which makes it easier for women to sue over pay equity issues and he did not address that question. and going into those remark about how he was to staff his office with women in massachusetts. he didn't even mention the fact his lieutenant governor was a woman. i think it was a sign the president had gotten under his skin and he got into a situation with an unforced error.
>> the obama campaign believes they can get mileage out of governor romney's remarks? >> yes, they were working it on the trail all day already. it was unfortunate for governor romney because it raises this question, can he relate to working women? it made it sound almost like working women are some mail order product you can order out of colored binders. there's so many direction you can go. what did the tabs in the byner say for each of the women? the problem for governor romney is two-fold. one, if he's trying to show the frustrations working women go through, this does not suggest he understands the sense of outsiderness many women feel when they work for a largely male environment. two, it raises a question -- this was a man who at the time he became governor had been a top executive in the business world for multiple decades and didn't he already know qualified women that he could call upon? why did he need to go outside
and get a binder full of women to find some? as jim acosta just point out, he actually knew women, had some on his staff, so he did himself a disservice with the way he frayed this. the obama team is getting mileage out of this. >> is he talking at all the role women had at bain capital? is it a male dominated profession, certainly back then. de talk about that? during the debate he was focusing solely on his time as governor. >> reporter: actually, no, anderson. it's interesting you asked that question. we have not heard mitt romney talk about that out on the campaign trail, how women might have fared at hi former investment firm. you know, keep in mind that the chief of staff for mitt romney when he was governor in massachusetts was beth myers, who went on to run his 2008 campaign and then went on here in 2012 to lead his vice presidential search. so, this is a candidate who has had women in high-level positions. it's worth noting in just the
last few minutes here, anderson, he's had a top surrogate, barbara come stostock and now s allen on the stage. not just recalibrating in terms of speeches but perhaps who's appearing on the campaign trail on his behalf. >> jessica, the president had a big advantage with women all year. has there been concern within the campaign that governor romney was making progress on that front? >> they wouldn't talk about that and they even contested the polls that showed governor romney close the gap. president obama was bringing up to know this is the voter group the president is focused on. he knew this was the greatest area where he was hemorrhaging support and his only growth opportunity. it is the women's vote the president could win or lose on. so, if the president is going to be president for another four years, it will be because women make the difference. he's going to hit on
contraception and his claim the governor has flip-flopped on it. he'll hit on pay equity issue and continue to talk about this binders controversy and the larger issue he claims governor romney isn't a natural in his bones. this is a thing he'll carry to election day. >> thanks. let us know what think, follow us on twiter. we're following breaking news. late word of a terrorist in custody, with ties to al qaeda allegedly. they was in the act of attempting to set off a massive bomb in new york. we have more on that tonight. [ male announcer ] this is joe woods' first day of work. and his new boss told him two things -- cook what you love, and save your money. joe doesn't know it yet, but he'll work his way up from busser to waiter to chef before opening a restaurant specializing in fish and game from the great northwest.
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we've got some breaking news to tell you about. a man with ties with al qaeda had been arrested in a federal sting operations for allegedly planning a terror attack on federal reserve bank of new york city, according to authorities. they say the 21-year-old support tried to detonate what he thought was a 1,000 pound bomb. there was no threat to the public.
suspect fays charges of attempting to use weapon of mass destruction and providing material support to al qaeda. last night's handling seemed like an opportunity for mitt romney. here's how it played out last night. >> the day after the attack, governor, i stood in the rose garden and i told the american people and the world that we are going to find out exactly what happened. that this was an act of terror. and i also said we're going to hunt down those who committed this crime. >> that's when mr. romney pounced, latching on to mr. obama's rose garden statement. we're playing it at length so you can see the context. >> i think it's interesting the president just said something which is the day after the attack he went in the rose garden and said that this was an act of terror. >> that's what i said. >> you said in the rose garden, the day after the attack, it was
an act of terror. it was not a spontaneous demonstration, is that what you're saying? >> please proceed. please proceed, governor. >> i want to make sure we get that for the record because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in benghazi an act of terror. >> get the transcript. >> he did in fact say it was an act of terror. >> can you say that a little louder, candy. >> he did say it as an act of terror. it did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea of there being a riot out there about this tape to come out. you're correct about that. >> the administration -- the administration indicated that this was a reaction to a video and was a spontaneous reaction. >> it did. >> it took them a long time to say this was a terrorist act by a terrorist group. >> the bigger question, though, is what the president meant when he said it that morning of september 12 9. was he referring to the terror attack the night before in benghazi, as he was in the final
seven paragraph of his remarks or was he speaking of what he mentioned in the paragraphs that followed, the 9/11 al qaeda attacks on new york and washington? the next day he used a similar phrase but then four days after that, no one in the administration -- or i should say, for days after that, no one in the administration used the phrase terrorist attack to describe what many experts believed was a terrorist takt. two weeks after the fact on "the view" joe behar said, i heard hillary clinton thought it was an act of terror, what do you think? he said, we're still doing investigation. >> we're marking the remembrance of 9/11 attacks. we mourn with the family who were lost on that day. i visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in iraq and afghanistan at hallowed grounds of arlington cemetery. and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our
wounded warriors at walter reed. and then last night we learned the news of this attack in benghazi. as americans, let us never, ever forget our freedom is only sustained because our people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases lay down their lives for it. our country is only as strong as the character of our people. and the service of those both civilian and mil military who represent us around the globe. no acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values we stand for. today we mourn for more americans who represent the very best of the united states of america. we will not waiver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. make no mistake, justice will be done. >> so, that's what the president said in the rose garden.
a week later they told senate hearing it was terrorism but the president wasn't saying that when directly asked. back to the rose garden, because speech writers come in handy when you have a speech to analyze. i spoke with one of the all-time best, david fromme, a contributor of cnn as well as "newsweek" and "the daily beast," and joining him is fare fareed. >> the words and if he used the word acts of terror, as a former speech writer, what is your take? >> that was a highly conditional statement in the rose garden. the president said, no act of terror. you write that when you say, i'm not characterizing these acts. this sh a general statement. it could have been delivered 24 hours before the attacks as well as 24 hours after. it was a way of putting something on the record without fully endorsing it. a mild lean forward.
you can almost imagine someone wrote this act of terror and that was scratched out and replaced with no act of terror. >> do you have any reason to believe the president was not referring to benghazi when he said acts of terror in those remarks? >> no. the common sense reading is that he was referring to acts of terror. there is artful interpretation david has. i think this is a red herring. even if a mob had spontaneously gathered because of the video and decided to charge the u.s. embassy and killed the u.s. ambassador, two navy s.e.a.l.s and another american, that's still an act of terrorism. terrorism is basically the taking of the lives of particularly civilians in a political act designed to have some kind of political impact. what strikes me as an act of terrorism, whether or not it was a mob or al qaeda. now, was it an act of terrorism
perpetrated by a terrorist organization affiliated with al qaeda, with planning and forethought? that we don't know. but i don't really see how it wasn't an act of terrorism no matter who did it. >> david, do you think governor romney missed an opportunity focusing in the debate the word the president used in the rose garden speech as opposed to the nearly 14 days or whatever it was that they were still unclear about what happened? >> and continued. look, governor romney had good cards. he overplayed them. and the president was able to push him back and push him back pretty hard and he suffered for it. but we're still not at the point where the administration -- you know, i mean, any of us exactly know, nor are we at the point where the administration is trying to give up a false narrative to protect themselves. no one is saying this is treason or impeachable offense but four people are dead. the question is, was the libya
war a good idea? president obama has two wars, afghanistan, which he escalated and libya which he chose. the question in libya, is it a success or not. >> it hinges on whether or not -- >> no, it's -- of course not -- >> one terrorist -- >> it's -- >> that would have the -- that would have the chilling effect on any further american interventions, political or military if you say one gang somewhere could -- a few years later launch an attack on one of our consulates it mean the whole thing was a bad idea. the -- >> no, this -- >> the green zone in iraq was shelled routinely -- >> no one is thinking a lot about libya, but in the month before the election to talk openly about what happened to ambassador stevens reminding people, there's still no government in libya, no security in libya. al qaeda entities, al qaeda affiliated entities are moving freely in libya. they're the most armed people in the question. it raises the question, what did this war accomplish? i think most people -- most
people who even view a show like this, a news-savvy audience, don't know there isn't a government in libya. >> but that's not entirely true, david. there were elections. the muslim monday mentalists lost badly. gadhafi created a sham state. the yes, the institutions of government are not strong in libya. but to characterize it as there being no government, this is actually a very important election that took place and many conservatives lauded precisely because it brought to power moderate, pro-western liberals. >> what did we get? that's the debate the administration does not want to have this month and that is the debate driven home by the events in ben benghazi. that's why the administration is so keen to make this a story about a spontaneous reaction to a movie made in america. nothing to do with us and it has nothing -- and nothing to do with our decisions and our --
maybe those were good decisions. maybe all things considered, we chose the lesser evil. it's a question -- and i think both fareed and i would think about a lot. >> fareed, i want to ask you about this special that you have on. we heard last night both candidates talking about energy policy, gas prices. you've got a show on sunday called "global lessons: gps." it's a complicated topic but high gas prices hurt the president. >> high gas prices hurt the president but in some part because the economy is recovering. more importantly it's because there's growth all over the world, because chinese want more gas, indians want more gas. what i was struck by is both of them want energy independence and tell us how we would achieve it. it's happening for very little because of the president. it's happening because of shale gas, extraordinary technology that is revolutionizing our ability to extract them. it's controversial and there's a
need to study it. but the simple fact is the united states is likely by the end of this decade to export more petroleum and liquid natural gas than saudi arabia or russia. we are going to become the world's great exporter of liquid carbons. >> incredible. the candidates' words aren't only being parsed. which candidate used the stage most effectively. [ male announcer ] citi turns 200 this year. in that time there've been some good days. and some difficult ones. but, through it all, we've persevered, supporting some of the biggest ideas in modern history. so why should our anniversary matter to you? because for 200 years, we've been helping ideas move
president obama and governor romney were able to move around the stage, they often ended up inches from each other, correcting each other. at times it looked like a boxing ring. the body language of both candidates is being parsed today as closely as their words. i talked to brett o'donnell, a former debate strategist for governor romney and author of "you can't lie to me." one of the exchanges you point out, there was a lot of heat last night. one is the exchange over oil production. let's take a look at that. >> that's the strategy you need. that's what we're going to do. >> what do you see going on? >> right here, watch -- >> that's not what you've done -- >> this is chopping. this chop is pointing towards the president. we'll get into this debate. look at all this chopping. looking at each other and now in each other's space. this interesting.
when the president stands back up, this is like man-to-man. it's interesting. although they're having this debate, they're not coming across as contempt. it's like two brothers who have a disagreement and still that professionalism with both of them here. >> it seemed like a lot of times the president didn't want to be seen sitting down when governor romney was addressing him and talking to him. >> and the president would engage candy. when we're less than 18 inches n someone's personal zone, we see that with mitt romney and president obama, in each other's personal space. >> what you saw over drilling on public lands and you say got away from mitt romney. how so? >> i think instead of just making his point, asking the question one time and leaving it, he kept asking it repeatedly. did that with the pension exchange as well. >> asking the president? >> that's right. repeatedly. and it seemed to be that he went a little too far. he looked defensive.
he looked overly aggressive with the president. and i think that it could have been misperceived. >> it's better for him to have said like one time, you know, has drilling gone down or up on public lands or whatever and moved on? >> exactly. make your argument, move on. >> there was a lot of back and forth about libya as well. >> it took them a long time to say this was a terrorist act by a terrorist group. and to suggest -- am i incorrect in that regard? on sunday your secretary -- >> look, the president is like, hey, i want to address this issue. we see this palm down gres tour. when we see palm down, this is not welcoming. it's like, hey, this has to be handled. when police come in and say, on the ground, they don't say, on the ground. we also see that with mitt romney when he's asked later about, in fact, how is he similar to g.w. or different, and mitt romney says, that's a great question and does palm down. this is like, i don't really like your question and then the
stalling technique. >> you said the libya exchange was the most decisive blow the president got against romney. >> the president looked presidential. it was a moment where governor romney appeared to be caught on a fact, didn't exactly know what line of argument to pursue and the president did his righteous indignation and said, i'm offended you would accuse me or my team of playing politics with this issue. that moment seemed to advantage the president over governor romney. >> up to that point i thought it was even with regard to verbal and exchanges. with libya, when the president was intense, i felt he stepped out of the role i'm the man running for president into, i'm the man that is the president. his gestures were intense. it's not like, i'm using this as a ploy to become president. >> was it a mistake for romney to focus on the rose garden speech? it's an arguable -- >> the facts are on governor
romney's side, but he focused on that one word, did you say terror? instead of focusing on the larger context, he focused on that one day and then kept asking the president again, repeatedly asking. the president -- if you notice, the president's response was, please proceed, governor. >> cnn poll it did reflect, even though people felt president obama overall won on economics, on taxes, on deficit, they felt governor romney won the debate. >> i feel it's in the exchanges, the libya exchange and a couple exchanges in the debate where governor romney was pursuing the president that he didn't give him the answer he wanted and seemed to frustrate him. >> what surprised you most? >> with libya, after libya, what we saw, i believe what we notice is that we saw an increase in pacing then with mitt romney. i think the president really knocked it out of the park. >> for you the key for governor romney is to focus on the
economy moving forward? >> absolutely. >> tough because the next -- >> even in the foreign policy debate. there are ways for him to relate foreign policy, national security back to the economy. that's what the governor has to do. >> brett o'donnell, jean, thanks. it was senator john mccain debating then-candidate barack obama. he was watching closely, tweeting about it. he joins me. ♪
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he's somber and responsible. >> thank you very much. >> senator mccain, this is a guy who sang bomb, bomb, bomb iran, who called for the annihilation of north korea. that is not an example of speaking softly. this is the person who after we hadn't even finished afghanistan where he said, next up, baghdad. >> if we're going back and forth, i would like to have equal time to respond. >> yeah, you get last word here and then we have to move on. >> not true. not true. i have obviously supported those efforts that the united states had to go in militarily and i opposed those i didn't think so. i understand what it's like to send young americans in harm's way. >> that was from four years ago. senator mccain was watching last night's debate closely. he join me for the big "360" interview. we heard that heated exchange from four years ago. you know it's like to be on that stage amidst the rough and
i think so in a way he did because when you look at the president's rose garden statement, that it really wasn't talking about that act. the reason i don't think he was, because he later went on "the view," went on letterman and others and kept repeating what they had sent his u.n. ambassador ought to say, saying this was a hateful video that triggered this demonstration, or we don't know what caused it. look, we knew. we knew within hours, anderson, there was a coordinated attack with heavy weapons. we now know one of the leaders one of the al qaeda related groups was even there. it was obvious this was not -- there was no demonstration
whatsoever. when they keep saying, well, wait until we have a full and complete investigation. some facts are obvious now. i'd like to mention one or aspect of this if i could. in april and june there were attacks on the u.s. embassy, one an ied, very serious. the british ambassador was attacked, the red cross left. was the president briefed about the danger there? i don't expect him to know if 16 people stayed or went. but shouldn't he be briefed about the deteriorating situation in benghazi where it was obvious al qaeda were coming in across the border? that's what we need -- the question should be, what did the president know, when did he know it and what did he do about it? obviously not much. >> "the new york times" reporting sunday most of the weapons flowing to syrian rebels from saudi arabia, qua tar, are going to islamic jihadists.
why is it we'ven been able to identify more moderate groups? have we been able to identify and because the folks sending weapons have sympathies with jihadists that they're sending them to the groups they are? >> it makes me so sad. >> you were predicting this. you were talking about this before anyone else. >> yeah. and it's so sad because there are legitimate elements that you and i have even met both inside and just outside of syria. there has been a flood of these jihadists into syria as this thing is dragged out for now 18 months and over 30,000. it's a failure of american leadership. you know -- well, let me just say, it's well known that over the years that the saudis have supported salafis and other extreme groups, so as qatar.
where is american leadership to say to them, by the way, we will dot jobs, we will make sure your weapons get in? that's what american leadership -- i could go on and on. the tention along the borders has dramatically increased. the slaughter goes on. the russians continue to step up their arm supplies. iranians are overflying iraq with supplies of arms. and the tragedy goes on and cries for american leadership and it's just not there. i don't know what the turks are going to do but i know the turks are krooilg crying out for our learship. >> governor romney has been critical of the obama administration for not acting sooner. recently he called for arming the rebels but he stopped short of saying u.s. should provide weapons. his staff said they would rely
on allies to do that, unnamed allie allies, but basically what the obama administration is already doing, isn't it? >> i don't think they're doing it. they say they are but the facts are they are not doing it because the arms are going into the arms of the wrong people, as we said the beginning of our conversation. obviously, i support strongly providing them with weapons. i hope governor romney will agree with that position. >> you think the u.s. should directly supply them with weapons? >> you know, i've always said that. and i think that mitt romney is right. that we should play a much greater and stronger role in making sure those weapons go to the right people, which is obviously not the case now because of a lack of american leadership. >> senator mccain, appreciate your time. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> coming up, an update on the 14-year-old girl marked for death and shot by the pakistani
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convention and tied in ratings with democratic national convention. so, when you look at it that way, romney-m may now be regretting his answer to that fateful question. >> this is the most serious question of all. honey boo-boo or snooki? >> do you know who either of these people -- >> oh, yeah. i'm kind of a snooki fan. look how tiny she's gotten? she's lost weight and she's energetic. just her sparkplug personality. >> let's be honest, she has a sparkplug personality, but come on, so does honey boo-boo. i speak from experience as she was on my show -- day time show. >> so you -- ♪ you better not recognize >> you -- >> she's a mess. >> she's a mess. >> she's a good mess. she's a good mess. >> how do you deal with all the controy,